Our evaluations of the iPhone 16 Professional and Apple Watch Collection 10 are up, thanks to at least one very drained Cherlynn Low. On this episode, Devindra and Cherlynn talk about her ultimate ideas on Apple’s new {hardware}, together with why the iPhone 16 Professional’s photograph processing is especially attention-grabbing. In different information, we additionally chat about Snap’s fifth-generation AR Spectacles, in addition to HTC Vive’s new Focus Imaginative and prescient headset.
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iPhone 16 Professional and Professional Max evaluations: nice cameras, however incomplete with out Apple Intelligence – 0:59
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Israel linked to coordinated pager and walkie-talkie explosions in Lebanon – 42:29
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Snap’s fifth technology glasses with AR look chunky in a foul method – 48:17
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HTC’s Vive Focus Imaginative and prescient: an intriguing VR headset at a worth between the Quest 3 and Imaginative and prescient Professional – 51:35
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Lionsgate movies made a cope with the AI satan – 52:40
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Popular culture picks – 55:48
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Hosts: Devindra Hardawar and Cherlynn Low
Producer: Ben Ellman
Music: Dale North and Terrence O’Brien
Transcript
(Be aware: This transcript was produced with assist from Descript’s AI.)
Devindra: [00:00:00] What’s up, Web? And welcome again to the Engadget Podcast. I am Senior Editor Devindra Hardawar.
Cherlynn: I am Deputy Editor Cherlynn Low.
Devindra: This week we’ll be speaking in regards to the iPhone 16 Professional evaluations from Cherlynn. And likewise, additionally the Apple Watch Collection 10 evaluate. And also you’re simply so busy, Cherlynn. I am so sorry.
Cherlynn: Yeah.
Devindra: Cherlynn slowly dying. Additionally becoming a member of us is podcast producer Ben Ellman. Hey, Ben.
Ben: Good morning, everybody. Often we’re attempting to promote Cherlynn on video video games. I feel now you are going to need to promote me on the iPhone 16.
Devindra: You understand? We’ll, we’ll try this. As all the time, people, should you’re having fun with the present, please remember to subscribe to us on iTunes or your podcatcher of selection.
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So test that out. Cherlynn, I used to be actually excited to see what you considered the iPhone 16 professional [00:01:00]as a result of based mostly on our earlier conversations.
Cherlynn: are you attempting to improve?
Devindra: No, I am not. I am not truly, I’m very firmly. I am like, I truly do not want to do that in any respect. It is nice. It is a good 12 months for anyone who has a 15 professional as a result of simply not a lot of a purpose past the button.
However I additionally know. You had conflicting emotions in regards to the digital camera button. And likewise, Hey, we won’t actually choose. It is we won’t totally choose this system as a result of a lot of it’s going to rely upon Apple intelligence, which won’t begin rolling out till subsequent month. The brand new Siri will not totally arrive till early subsequent 12 months.
So what do you consider it to date? That is simply the professional and professional max.
Cherlynn: Yeah. I imply, we, I additionally, I personally even have been testing and spending time with the iPhone plus. I can discuss them. Our, our, our evaluate could also be coming later. Proper. It is coming. No person can blame you.
Devindra: You simply shipped an Apple watch evaluate and an iPhone evaluate.
And final week you had the pixel watch evaluate. So sure. To provide everybody
Cherlynn: a way of the cadence right here. So Apple’s occasion was Monday. Tuesday I used to be there for conferences the place I’ve then left with units which [00:02:00]to disclosure, they’re all house owners. We returned them on the finish of the evaluate interval. Okay. After which there was, then we had Monday morning, the, at 8 AM Jap, the AirPods for evaluate.
Was revealed was the embargo after which Tuesday 8 a. m. Jap was the Apple watch sequence 10 evaluate embargo. After which Wednesday, yesterday 8 a. m. Jap, the Apple iPhone 16, all of them, the evaluate embargo lifted. So it has been, it has been wild as a result of it entails quite a lot of weekend work for a few of us.
And, so pardon me if on this episode, I get some names and phrases and numbers blended up as a result of it is certain to occur. It occurred in our video evaluate a pair instances, which sorry, however my mind is, is there. Anyway so I actually adore the iPhone 16, the bottom iPhone 16, as a result of we bought the cutest colours. We bought the pink and the teal the teal iPhone 16 plus and the pink one.
Now. The, the rationale I used to be truly, I’ll begin with the iPhone 16 as a result of we, we’ve not actually put out our [00:03:00] formal ideas on the market but, however I, I, I’ve spent a while fascinated about them. That is the primary time you’ve got mainly for some time now that you have the iPhone 16s which can be mainly near parody with the professionals.
I imply, these usually are not, not professional telephones by any means. However, you recognize, Apple did not skimp on like bringing the digital camera button over to the bottom iPhone 16 for as soon as. Proper. And so they’re getting new chips, like
Devindra: all of the enjoyable stuff. Yeah, precisely.
Cherlynn: They’re getting 18, a 18 as an alternative of the final 12 months’s a 17, for instance. After which, you recognize, sure, the professionals get the 18 professional, however that is sensible.
You are paying fairly much more cash. These are extra highly effective telephones. And then you definately’ve bought additionally the digital camera button this time introduced all the way down to the. The motion button could be introduced all the way down to the iPhone.
Devindra: The plain iPhone, the bottom iPhone. Yeah.
Cherlynn: Plus, yeah. So these names usually are not nice. And then you definately’ve, one of many issues holding again, I assume, the bottom iPhones is the display screen, proper?
I imply, okay. They do not have the like identical massive 6. 3, 6. 9 inch screens as the professionals do, however additionally they haven’t got [00:04:00]promotion. You are simply getting like their retina XDR, I feel tremendous retina. In order that they’re good by way of shade and backbone, however you are lacking a excessive refresh price, some variations in dimension.
After which after all the cameras aren’t as highly effective, however you’ll get spatial audio recording, which suggests you’ll get entry to options like audio combine within the video recording instrument set. So, or the video modifying instrument set. So I
Devindra: simply wish to level out right here, Sherilyn, as you had been holding up these iPhones, it looks as if the massive distinction is.
iPhone 16 professional get together within the entrance, good display screen, iPhone 16 get together within the again. I
Cherlynn: fairly like that. They’re so
Devindra: vivid and the colour is like the whole lot
Cherlynn: you, after I discuss these sooner or later on our web site later, however sure, this, the iPhone 16 retains the get together within the again whereas the iPhone 16 professional retains the get together up entrance.
I assume you recognize the place the get together is not
Devindra: the
Cherlynn: get together is not on the perimeters. It is so unhappy. I actually appreciated the concept of digital camera management, which I feel we’ll simply dive proper [00:05:00] into digital camera management. I discussed already final week that it is, you recognize, an actual like button that you simply hopefully heard me clicking into the mic simply now.
It’s awkwardly positioned in my view. When I attempt to maintain it up Relying on the dimensions of the telephone I imply, I feel i’ve already realized learn how to grip this in order that my thumb sits proper on the digital camera management when i am holding It up In portrait mode with one hand. In panorama mode, the way in which that I used to grip my digital camera to take pictures or my telephone to take pictures is to put my index finger sort of evenly hugging the underside nook.
After which my little finger on the backside to sort of brace it. And on this method, You needed to
Devindra: Relearn the way in which you had been holding a telephone, mainly. Completely.
Cherlynn: You needed to relearn that digital camera grip that everybody was speaking about possibly three years in the past. It is Oh God, our digital camera grip. You understand, that is a, that is a factor we realized to deal with this, Modern-day expertise issues.
And now you sort of needed to relearn it once more. In the event you’re, if in case you have an iPhone 16, as a result of now too, if you wish to press the digital camera management and also you wish to swipe on the factor, it’s important to [00:06:00]maintain the telephone in a different way. Your thumb’s going to be on the underside. In the event you’re holding in panorama mode, it’s important to have your three fingers on the fitting aspect to sort of like stability the factor to carry it stably.
After which put your index finger on the sensor to have the ability to transfer it with out Utterly dropping the telephone. It’s in my view, slightly clunky. Nonetheless, I do love that Apple’s lastly introduced Hardaware based mostly shortcut entry to the digital camera app. Let me repair my. Positive, let’s pour a microphone.
Devindra: It is okay. I imply, I feel the extra I hear in regards to the digital camera button and the whole lot, it does appear compelling.
Like I do sort of really feel Oh, that will be sort of good to have that management, but in addition, yeah, yeah. I invested, I additionally invested within the 512 gigabyte 15 professional final 12 months. So it is it is, it is simply not price it. I’m occupied with what folks consider the bottom mannequin. And I assume as soon as customers like begin getting their arms on it, as a result of yeah, as you had been saying, and as we talked about, such as you’re lacking [00:07:00]the zoom digital camera, you are lacking the, you recognize, quicker promotion display screen, however past that, like that is a reasonably succesful, it is a fairly good telephone for 800 bucks.
I assume accurately, however then in comparison with most Android ones, you recognize, you may get quicker refresh charges on the Samsung’s and the pixels. So I do not know the way lengthy Apple can justify that. This is my different factor. Mm hmm
Cherlynn: One of many greatest promoting factors that I assume Apple made in regards to the iPhone 16 is that they are function constructed for Apple Intelligence, and there is none of that in right here but.
I imply, we might and might run a developer beta to get our A style for Apple intelligence, however I I am sorry to announce that we do not evaluate units based mostly on developer slash no matter beta should not.
Devindra: It isn’t actual. It isn’t
Cherlynn: steady. It isn’t the identical. It might be similar to the expertise that lastly ships.
Nevertheless it’s simply not, I am not, I am not testing a beta and telling you, yeah, purchase this factor. No, I, there’s simply, it isn’t no, even [00:08:00] although I feel that the road between beta and like public launch is sort of like grey proper now, it is simply not very clear as a result of typically they launch so many software program updates after the truth that the one which they launched initially would possibly as nicely be the beta.
However anyway I, I do suppose that for now there’s so much however the base iPhone 16s are nonetheless, they nonetheless seem to be actually stable upgrades for anybody on the bottom iPhone 15. Now the professionals are a special matter altogether. Okay, so I nearly instantly converted to the bottom iPhone. iPhone 16 professional as my most important.
And the smaller,
Devindra: the smaller, the
Cherlynn: smaller one by base. I imply the smaller one, not the max. And earlier than that I had been that means the grey, the magnesium, the pure titanium, not magnesium, the titanium 15 professional max, and like my hand is so much happier. For having converted to the smaller one, regardless that I did not, I bought just like the white iPhone 16 professional and I’ve the desert iPhone 16 professional max.
[00:09:00] So actually, the nicer shade is within the larger telephone from, from me.
Devindra: I
Cherlynn: do not thoughts it. And so they gave me this like vivid yellow case to make use of with it. I used to be identical to, all proper, I do not wish to appear to be. However the, the unhappy information is that like my most important takeaway with the iPhone 16 professional, apart from all that digital camera management stuff I talked in regards to the battery life is sort of disappointing.
Devindra: You are going from the massive, the massive boy battery. Positive. Yeah.
Cherlynn: However when you think about that the pixel 9 professional. Made like 25 hours on our battery check and mainly usually final two days I might say in actual extra life like use in all probability nearer to at least one and a half days as a result of two days with this factor was extra like I Did not use it as a lot as my iPhone that I might use my telephone.
It is extra of a secondary system I you may’t you simply cannot Say, yeah, barely final a day and that is nice. That appears larger
Devindra: although. The Pixel put them aspect by aspect. The iPhone 16 Professional and the Pixel 9 Professional. Okay It is slightly bit
Cherlynn: [00:10:00] larger. It is slightly thicker. I
Devindra: really feel like they might slot in an even bigger, an even bigger battery within the Pixel.
Cherlynn: So the, the, the Pixel 9 Professional, to be clear, is barely possibly lower than an inch taller. Yeah, after which, a bit ever so, nope, ever so, look, it is about, they’re actually
Devindra: going the more durable, the attempting to copy that. Yeah.
Cherlynn: So, yeah, no. So, so here is the factor I, I wrote this in my evaluate too, and I am going to point out it on this podcast, which is that I have been surrounded by telephones these previous couple of days on my sofa And it has been very troublesome to determine to succeed in for the right telephone, I’ve to do a giant like sport of which telephone am I holding up?
I, I type of bought, these are,
Devindra: I actually do typically.
Cherlynn: After which dangle on, dangle on. That is only one hand. So for the audio model of the podcast. These, these are all on my sofa proper now. There’s about, I do not wish to say, what number of is that? Seven? Ten? I do not know. [00:11:00] There is a pixel fold right here. That could be a
Ben: lot of telephones.
Devindra: That is the model of fanning you recognize, a giant stack of payments. You are fanning a stack of telephones proper now.
Cherlynn: So anyway,
Ben: I imply, and it’s sort of a giant stack of payments, financial worth.
Cherlynn: I’ll say as an alternative of going to the fitness center, I have been simply lifting these telephones. No the, the, by really feel, I can not inform which one is which.
All of them really feel roughly the identical to me, particularly after I contact the Pixel 9 Professional and the iPhone 16 Professional. All of them really feel the identical. By contact. In reality, typically after I’m utilizing the 16 professional, I begin to attempt to use Android gestures as a result of I am like, Oh, I am utilizing the pixel 9 professional. Aren’t I? So I swipe in from the aspect to return and it is ridiculous.
However yeah, it is, they’re very comparable by way of construct and it isn’t a foul factor for anybody, however I do suppose that. Perhaps now could be the time to start out pushing firms to do a bit extra with design or their digital camera bumps. I feel I noticed someplace that I feel MKBHD did a little bit of a wobble check, which is one thing that Sam Rutherford on our crew has been pitching as a [00:12:00]sequence for like years, however I really feel dangerous we by no means bought round to doing it.
The Pixel 9 Professional, due to its digital camera bar, does not wobble as a lot, however iPhone 16 Professional actually does. It is modules. We will
Devindra: make an excuse to convey the wobble dance into an iPhone video. Now, is that, that is what’s occurring right here, I assume. Yeah. So
Cherlynn: anyway, I am sorry, iPhone 16 Professional held again slightly bit by its battery life.
I may even level out that I’ve had some points with some, what looks as if buggy software program. I’m wondering if that has to do with the, within the setup course of after I ported my Telephone from the 15 professional max over to the 16 professional that like I do not know one thing just isn’t full within the setup simply but However I undoubtedly observed sure glitches right here and there I’ve talked about To somebody that may do one thing about it that my lock display screen simply refuses to save lots of the crop side ratio typically
Devindra: That is attention-grabbing.
That is extra of a
Cherlynn: [00:13:00] telegram app problem, however the telegram app, which sure, sadly, I nonetheless do use once in a while will nonetheless resurface the one notification badge on this icon. I am identical to, there is no unreads. There are not any unreads. And that is apparently a recognized problem. You gotta,
Devindra: you gotta go Zen, Sherilyn. You gotta go simply ignore all of the badges.
Numbers, there’ll all the time be numbers.
Cherlynn: Effectively, yeah, so there’s, however there are different And you’ll
Devindra: simply flip the badges off too,
Ben: proper? You possibly can flip
Devindra: the badge off fully. Yeah.
Cherlynn: There are different glitches like, When typically after I press the digital camera management after which I flip over to panorama, it simply blinks after which simply half the display screen’s gone.
However I’ve, I’ve actually had that with older iPhones earlier than. So it isn’t like distinctive to the iPhone 16 professional and which is why I did not make a giant deal of it in my evaluate.
Devindra: Yeah. How do you just like the 5X zoom on the bottom? I like smaller 16 professional. Trigger that may be a good improve. That is why I went max final 12 months too.
It was like. It is good to have a 5x zoom. Yeah.
Cherlynn: I like having the 5x zoom on the smaller telephone. And that is one of many issues I am like actually completely happy about with the lineup this 12 months, as a result of yeah, that is the rationale I upgraded to the 15 [00:14:00] professional max upgraded, sacrifice my arms for the 15 professional max final 12 months, as a result of I needed that 5x telephoto zoom.
This 12 months I did most of my testing with the 16 professional and yeah, I imply, it compares fairly nicely with Google’s, however I did quite a lot of my images comparability and once more, it is a pixel 9 professional as a result of. To me, that is the gold normal. Google is mostly a lot higher at cleansing up mess on the increased stage zoom and likewise Google simply offers you slightly bit extra digital zoom.
So you may go as much as 30 X with a mixed telephoto and digital. Whereas on iPhone 16 professional or professional max, you go as much as solely 25 X. Google’s picture
Devindra: processing, I feel it is slightly higher. The computational picture processing.
Cherlynn: Yeah. In the event you,
Devindra: okay.
Ben: However let’s discuss that for a second, as a result of Devindra and I had been speaking like through the present planning assembly yesterday, that I am .
the aspect by aspect iPhone 16 and Pixel 9 Professional footage in Cherlynn’s evaluate. [00:15:00] It is the picture of the tree and the LED strip. It appears prefer it’s in some sort of transit hub. And I do know everybody says the Pixel 9 pictures are so a lot better on a regular basis, however to me, the image from the 16 Professional appears a lot extra vibrant.
Is that simply A me factor? Is that how I understand colours versus different folks? What is going on on right here?
Cherlynn: It might be. I’ll say that I did discover, usually, usually, proper, and this has been for years now, I’ve observed that pixel images tends to be slightly bit extra muted in comparison with one thing from iPhone or Samsung telephones.
Particularly in comparison with Samsung telephones. They have an inclination to oversaturate slightly bit. What Apple has tended to do prior to now is I do not, I feel that is simply their shade desire, however they provide what they name, however I do not say they name it. It is simply hotter, proper? It appears hotter typically to the purpose of wanting nearly yellowish.
However yeah, their colours are a bit hotter and I feel you may examine this to this. [00:16:00] this to the distinction between a Nikon and a digital camera, a Canon digital camera by way of the processing. Identical to a
Devindra: tasteful aesthetic distinction. Precisely.
Cherlynn: I feel that is a desire or tasting, Ben. So I do not know that you simply’re essentially seeing it in a different way, nevertheless it might be a tasting, proper?
The, the factor I do wish to level out in that image and likewise again to your level, Ben, one the image on the left of the tree in, by the way in which, Moynihan practice station, which is Penn station in Manhattan. Yeah. Okay. Is the, the one on the left, iPhone 16 execs image is slightly bit blurry. Proper. And I feel that is as a result of I’ve been so centered on testing digital camera management that each single photograph I took with it was with the button push.
Whereas like on the pixel professional, typically I might use the amount key set off. Typically I might use the onscreen button. That is the way in which I usually use it in every day life anyway. So I feel that a few of that,
Ben: they’d compensate for that. You’ll suppose,
Cherlynn: however I do, I do not suppose they did. So I feel that the button push.
Positively introduce shake. Deepak Murthy within the chat additionally requested a extremely good query. Is the 48 [00:17:00]megapixel Extremely large. An enormous improve from final 12 months. I do not know that I have been pixel peeping the extremely large footage, however I’ll say this jogs my memory of a undeniable fact that the 48 megapixel fusion digital camera on the iPhone 16 professional and professional max is wild.
Like I at first was like, they hold saying zero shutter lag, proper? Apple has used this Phrase so much. And this time it mentioned zero shutter lag and mentioned, it was like quicker. So my dumb ass mind was like, Oh, does this imply I can take like pictures of individuals, like transferring round after which freeze movement and simply take, proper.
So I simply doing that for some time. And I used to be like, none of them appear very like what I believed they had been going to be. So I bought our video producer for this evaluate video, Brino. I used to be like, are you able to toss stuff at me? I am going to, you recognize, catch it in midair. After which. All of the pictures that I used to be attempting to take with the zero shutter lag setting, it was a cushion, one thing’s off.
Devindra: That is what zero shutter lag is meant to be. So, so dangle on. So then I used to be like, okay,
Cherlynn: let’s try this. After which I used to be like, why is it not working? So I, then I informed Brian to do me throwing issues round. So he took pictures of me and [00:18:00]we had been each like, All our footage got here out of us holding on to the factor and never of us throwing the issues.
After I lastly discovered what was occurring, I used to be like, Oh, that is how briskly the fusion digital camera is now. It is truly taking the photograph while you press the digital camera on shutter button or set off now, not, you recognize, a slight fraction of a second lag earlier than the motion occurs. So that you truly haven’t got to love, the rationale we had been so like, Like catching not the motion we wish it and so confused is as a result of as individuals who have quite a lot of expertise with cameras, Brian and I’ve skilled ourselves to turn out to be like delicate with the digital camera set off timing, proper?
If I do know if one thing I wish to seize goes to occur within the break up second after I press the button, that is after I set off it. That is how I time myself to press the button. And that is why our footage had been popping out slightly too early. We had been like, we had been hitting the button, however as an alternative we must always have simply waited until the factor was in midair to then press the button as a result of that is how briskly the digital camera
Devindra: is now.
Cherlynn: I did not know, lastly [00:19:00] figured it out. Felt actually good for a second there.
Devindra: I feel resulting from Deepak Murthy’s query, the massive improve is that earlier than it was a 12 megapixel ultrawide, now it is a 48 megapixel ultrawide. So,
Cherlynn: and that permits. Yeah. Much more of that 2x zoom croppy state of affairs that they discuss.
Devindra: It is also the factor the place should you lean an excessive amount of right into a topic, like final 12 months, it might identical to shift to the, to love nearly macro mode. Proper. Proper. Lose a lot element. If you would like a excessive decision photograph, like then it’s important to struggle that computerized course of. That was annoying final 12 months or so.
Cherlynn: Yeah.
Devindra: Yeah, much less of an issue this 12 months.
Cherlynn: After which my ultimate word about colours right here is, oh my God, how superior our photographic fashion, photographic types, photographic, photographic types. Photographic
Devindra: types. So
Cherlynn: superior. So these let
Devindra: you select totally different like shade profiles and offer you extra finely tuned.
Stuff like simply extra tweaking in your pictures. I, I wish to level out like a few evaluations additionally famous that they just like the picture processing of the 16 execs in comparison with the 15 execs. And I feel that is sort of a typical [00:20:00] grievance that quite a lot of iPhone customers have been having is simply that footage look sort of flat typically as a result of Apple’s processing.
Tends to crush shadows and sort of just like the depth of a picture sort of goes away. So I observed the Verge’s evaluate, they pointed this out so much and I, a pair other people did too, such as you get, you may get higher shadow management, higher pores and skin tone management, and you may go away
Cherlynn: it there, proper? Like you may go away it, set it to your most popular and go away it.
So each photograph you are taking then does not need to be edited. It comes out together with your most popular shadow and distinction settings. Yeah. So here is, here is. So as to add my ideas on that. After I found in my testing that photographic types is freaking superior. I used to be like, what occurred? Your depth, your depth map simply appears wildly improved.
And so what Apple does usually is yearly. And I heard this final 12 months too, truly, which is that they, they, they work on their algorithm yearly. They refine their depth map sensitivity, accuracy, this type of stuff yearly. This 12 months, there appears to be a famous, marked. Enchancment. And so in each single [00:21:00] photograph even with final 12 months with the 15 execs, while you take a photograph that has a face inside Apple mechanically takes like captures depth data.
So that you would possibly’ve seen that I’ve observed this earlier than after I’m like taking pictures of myself and it all of a sudden switches to portrait mode. I am like, I do not want a portrait mode image. I simply needed a flat one, however then they wish to seize depth data. And in utilizing, in doing that this 12 months with photographic types, they’re in a position to like, Preserve an individual’s face, pores and skin tone, no matter.
Preserve {that a} pure wanting, as pure wanting as attainable, after which apply shade modifications and distinction modifications and whatnot to the background. And it’s wildly efficient this 12 months. After which the truth that you may. Set it, go away it, each single one in all your pictures will end up that method. Or you may go in and put up course of and put up and alter it up.
There’s simply so many extra controls and customizability choices now that to me, that’s truly the low key spotlight this 12 months. Issues that like they’ve launched, like photographic types, you may go away alone and do nothing with, proper? Motion button, you may go away as your mute slider. The digital camera management.
In the event you do not prefer it, flip it off. [00:22:00]You’ve all these controls. I Apple does not make a giant deal as a result of I do not suppose it needs to market that you may flip off digital camera controls. However the truth that you may, and the truth that you may tweak its sensitivity as a part of accessibility controls, is it is all including to the concept Apple is knowing that it must let customers have the ability to change and select what they need.
And to me, that is crucial factor with the iPhone 16s or simply iPhones usually. I
Devindra: sort of want a few of that got here all the way down to the sooner telephones. Like I do know a part of that’s the picture processing pipeline that there is a complete lot of latest Hardaware within the 16s. scenes, but in addition you, you’ve got bought, you continue to bought MPUs on these older telephones.
Like there, there’s some stuff you possibly can nonetheless do. It type of jogs my memory of the way in which folks complain about like the way in which MCU films look, proper? The Marvel films are inclined to look flat, do not actually have a lot depth. You possibly can nearly really feel the artificiality of like once they’re on the the large led screens, you recognize, when one thing does not really feel actual after which.
You shoot one thing in actual life with actual shade depth and the whole lot and shadow depth, and it [00:23:00]appears dramatically totally different. I assume that is type of what individuals are noticing. So any, anything you wish to shout out in regards to the, the iPhone execs or, or the bottom ones, Rowan?
Cherlynn: I imply, I agree with you that particularly on photographic types, they launched it on the thirteens, proper?
That is the primary time it got here out. And so it, it isn’t. However then the concept again then, I do not suppose was as totally fleshed out. So I do not suppose that again then they had been capturing as a lot data. And I additionally needed to surprise about storage dimension, proper? Which brings me to the 4k 120 help on these execs with capturing 4k 120 content material, you may sluggish issues down much more for like far more dramatically slowed down and cinematic loading content material in addition to like HDR help in these.
conditions. In fact, should you hold recording in these type of top quality conditions, you are going to run out of storage quickly. After which talking of video recording, I’m, I used to be so excited for audio combine. I actually was very excited for the flexibility to make use of that spatial [00:24:00]audio file that is recorded in all of your movies now, after which sort of like drown out environmental noise or isolate and spotlight the.
Voices of individuals talking within the scene and body in my admittedly restricted testing to date, just like the swap between normal and studio is the perfect. So you actually simply sort of do away with quite a lot of ambient noise and make your, you recognize, topics sound like they’re speaking in a podcast, like we are actually.
Like my microphone is now Yeah,
Devindra: your microphone sounds nice when trillin’s such as you’re there in entrance of microphones turned on we’re all we’re all golden this week I do really feel like um, yeah, you may actually refill even if in case you have a terabyte iphone I really feel like In the event you’re capturing 4k 120, you are going to be sucking up some area, however they’re making it extra in an effort to document and shoot on to storage units.
So I can think about I see so a lot of these like little rigs that individuals are placing collectively. Such as you put your iPhone in there. It is also stabilizing rig. You may connect a microphone up prime. However you possibly can put a small SSD [00:25:00] there too. Like it’s making the type of Hey, you may have slightly manufacturing studio constructed completely round your iPhone and it will price some huge cash, however there are some customers, actually professional customers that will be into that, you recognize?
So it is sort of, it is cool to have that. That is how they shot this. That that weekend video, proper? Like with a rig a complete particular factor, making him sing the track additional quick to decelerate. That was enjoyable.
Cherlynn: I feel the concept of the iPhone 16 execs as like a, yeah, moveable creator rig is an effective method to consider them as a result of quite a lot of the upgrades that at the very least drew my consideration had been for multimedia content material creation.
One other factor that I used to be intrigued by, however that is not accessible but is the multi. Layer or multitrack recording on voice memos. After which talking of options which can be nonetheless not but right here that half step type of lock focus characteristic on digital camera management is not accessible but. After which, after all, the whole lot with Apple intelligence is not totally accessible but.
I feel that. It isn’t the primary time Apple’s held again some marquee options at launch, however it’s like, [00:26:00]it, it makes reviewing these items proper now, the week that they go on sale slightly trickier than standard. You will notice the word on our evaluate playing cards with in regards to the rating that we needed to evaluate them as is, and as is that they, They appear to attain decrease than final 12 months which I feel could be very honest.
I feel particularly, I truly needed to flip the place of the professional and the professional max this 12 months, simply because the battery life to me was that a lot considerably decrease. I, I truly nearly dinged it fairly a number of extra factors after which was satisfied to be like, okay, A bit extra, a bit much less indignant about battery life.
I imply, it is a
Devindra: honest comparability, however I do, I do wish to know, like folks like me who used to hate the Professional Max telephones, just like the titanium change final 12 months was an enormous distinction. Like 10 to fifteen p.c change is noticeable. And should you care that a lot about battery life, it’s nonetheless in all probability price going for the massive telephone.
I additionally discover myself. I do not learn about you Cherlynn, however I additionally I am watching stuff like usually in image in image mode at night time whereas I am cleansing up the kitchen and stuff like, or [00:27:00]whereas I am identical to shopping Twitter at night time to love the flexibility to multifunction extra on an even bigger display screen telephone.
I see it. I see the purpose of that. You possibly can’t try this as a lot on the smaller 16 professional.
Cherlynn: Yeah, I, I like having the ability to attain throughout the display screen and hit one thing all the way in which on the opposite aspect in any case, as an individual cursed with smaller arms, I feel the smaller one is the best dimension for me. Nonetheless, I would, I, I, I’ve this odd luxurious of having the ability to carry two telephones, proper?
So possibly I am going to simply Carry each the Pixel 9 Professional and the iPhone 16 Professional. Now, lots of people have requested me this, truly. Am I tempted to return to Pixel? I’m. I’m very tempted by the Pixel 9 Professional. We did rating it as of proper now, slightly increased than the iPhone 16 Professional. And belief me that that factored into my scoring resolution.
I feel. The competitors from Google is stiffer than ever, is extraordinarily stiff this 12 months. I’m in love with pixel UI, I have been for a really lengthy [00:28:00] time. Particularly on the decision screening, particularly on among the name help options. For some purpose Google actually understands how to try this stuff. I feel, like I wrote in my evaluate, it isn’t that Apple just isn’t contemplating these items, it is that Apple is extraordinarily cautious.
Apple’s extra delicate to being caught with egg on its face, maybe, whereas Google’s in all probability we will simply say, sorry, and Apple’s extra, let’s not. No person’s shopping for these
Devindra: telephones anyway. No person will discover. That is what Google’s pondering. No person’s shopping for these Pixel telephones. I do not
Cherlynn: know. I, I feel it is, I feel Google is a little more a bit much less danger averse.
And I, I get that vibe from the like Silicon Valley space usually.
Devindra: It does, it does come all the way down to there, there have been reviews individuals are pointing to the flight tracker. You understand, web site is now monitoring just like the, the planes full of iPhones coming to worker to, to clients, these planes have billions of {dollars} price a single aircraft has billions of {dollars} of telephones price on them.
And it is that’s the operate. That is why Apple needs to be secure. Whereas [00:29:00] for Google. How a lot of a share of Google’s income are Pixel telephones?
Cherlynn: I get that. I get, I get that prefer it’s not an enormous a part of their income. Yeah, it is undoubtedly not as vital. I’ll say to, to Apple’s credit score although, that like I mentioned in my evaluate, it is extra cautious.
And its strategy tends to be extra nicely rounded. So in the case of issues like name screening or name associated, something that is slightly bit to do with private non-public context issues, Apple is sluggish. And I feel fairly so I feel it is okay to love. Take your time earlier than you sick your AI on eating places, calling them about opening hours.
That type of factor. Apple just isn’t going to try this ever. I feel it is wild that Google is ready to, and I feel there may be useful executions there too, however I do not know that each single particular person can be as completely happy to embrace that. So it is nice that they’ve two very totally different approaches. I simply suppose that And that is why possibly I’ve to have two telephones, proper?
One firm is
Devindra: afraid of actively [00:30:00] harming society with new options that decision, which have robots calling, you recognize, eating places and the others simply taking it sluggish. However I
Cherlynn: will say that, I’ll say that my, my need to hold each of them these days has much less to do with digital camera. As a result of it was once I carried a pixel telephone round as a result of it was simply so a lot better for for my pictures and now it is It is it is truly battery life and slightly bit on like pixel name UI.
Oh, yeah I chatted with a good friend on RCS for the primary time yesterday and that was cool. Shout out to my good friend who is aware of who they’re who was on Android and we had been texting and it was, it mentioned textual content message RCS. You understand how should you ship inexperienced bubble messages, it says textual content message SMS. And now it says, Textual content message RCS, and now it is freaking out, after which we might have again messages.
Devindra: It must be a rainbow bubble, like RCS, the factor unifying all of the, all of the totally different platforms. I
Cherlynn: suppose that will be a bit too ally for Apple to do.
Devindra: Allyship?
Cherlynn: Yeah,
Devindra: [00:31:00] it might be, it might be good
Cherlynn: in the event that they did, however no, I do not suppose they’d, it might, the implication is sort of bizarre Additionally hate that, due to that, we
Devindra: cannot use rainbows anymore in sure issues.
That is dumb.
Cherlynn: You possibly can nonetheless use rainbows. I do not suppose it issues. It simply, I am glad,
Devindra: I am glad you are in a position to do an RCS chat as a result of we’ve talked about that for years. There was additionally the information that the RCS the group is now contemplating a option to make encryption occurring, in order that’s cool. Can I,
Cherlynn: can I simply clarify this slightly bit?
So, once we, when this got here out and made the rounds this week that RCS the GSMA was engaged on our finish to finish encryption for RCS. the common profile, which is what Apple mentioned it might undertake for iOS 18. And to be clear, there’s totally different profiles of RCS. The bottom one was the one which like Apple resisted perpetually as a result of it was simply not very safe.
It allowed companies to textual content you with no purpose. And there is simply quite a lot of points with it. Common profile comes nearer. When Apple introduced it might help RCS, it did make a It’s totally clear that like finish to finish [00:32:00] encryption, it might work with the GSMA to convey finish to finish encryption to RCSUP earlier than it totally embraced iOS 18 RCS and iOS 18.
So it isn’t fully new, such as you mentioned, Devindra, that like we knew finish to finish encryption was coming and that is why we had been Apple
Devindra: says that they had been going to work on it and now, now they, GSMA needed to put out an announcement. Hey, we’re doing it. We’re doing it, child. I
Cherlynn: imply, they’re engaged on it, however is it information?
Probably not. I imply, it is, it is, it has to return.
Devindra: They’re doing it additionally Google
Cherlynn: messages. Yeah. But additionally Google messages had already, like Google had already carried out E2EE in its personal Google message model of RCS UP, which is sort of a UP with a quantity, I consider So anyway come at me with
all of your RCS nerdery, as a result of apparently that is how a lot I learn about it.
Devindra: Yeah. RCS message Cherlynn if yow will discover her. How about that? The rest you wish to point out in regards to the telephones? Trigger I do wish to discuss slightly bit in regards to the Apple Watch Collection 10. Yeah. That’s the factor. That bought all the massive modifications this 12 months. And we simply spent half an hour speaking a couple of fricking digital camera button.
So come on, I
Cherlynn: imply, I really feel like there’s extra on the telephone that I am forgetting. Simply go learn [00:33:00] my evaluate. It is like very
Devindra: lengthy, very good evaluations.
Cherlynn: Yeah. And, and the video on our YouTube channel as nicely. What’s up? What’s about okay. Whenever you say the watch bought all the massive modifications this 12 months, what are you referring?
It
Devindra: has a brand new, it has a brand new design. It’s a lot larger. Like it’s basically an even bigger TV. totally different feeling system. You famous that in your evaluate, you recognize,
Cherlynn: it does really feel totally different. It feels thinner each time I choose it up when it isn’t on my wrist, after I choose it as much as enter the password or have a look at the cost stage, I really feel it in my, in between my fingers, it feels thinner and totally different.
However the, and particularly in comparison with the sequence 9, which I have been utilizing because it was launched final 12 months, the screens slightly bit wider angle viewing. wider viewing angle. And, and, and, and, and that is about it, proper? I imply, what else is just like the, the, the battery life for being thinner could be very comparable nonetheless to the Collection 9.
In reality, typically I truly bought much more battery life out of the Collection 10. It, [00:34:00] I nonetheless could not replicate that on a constant, in a constant method. So I do not know Completely true that the Apple Watch Collection 10 lasts longer than the Collection 9. However yeah, I feel it is spectacular that the expertise they had been in a position to give you to succeed in that thinner body.
And the broader angle. I did not discover the large This is the factor, proper? Whenever you’re testing two watches aspect by aspect, y’all come to the Engadget Podcast for this type of nice interview. You are simply deadened
Devindra: to all of the modifications transferring ahead, proper? Effectively, slightly bit,
Cherlynn: however here is what I used to be attempting to do, proper?
I had each watches on every of my wrists, and I used to be placing them down type of on my lap to sort of see whether or not that wider viewing angle makes that massive of a distinction. And I am like, yeah, the one on the left, which is the Collection 10, actually appears like I can see it. Just like the clock digits are brighter from that angle and, and simpler to see, whereas the fitting hand, which was the Collection 9 was more durable to learn.
However you recognize what the distinction was? Partly, sure, brightness. However the different a part of it was the locks, the watch face. [00:35:00] Someway when your AOD is dimmed in on each watches, you are all the time on show is dimmed. The watch. digits on the Collection 9, which to be clear was on watchOS 10, not 11 went into this define as an alternative of a stable font.
So the font was simply, and naturally that is going to be more durable to learn, whereas like on the Collection 10, which was working watchOS 11, when the AOD dimmed, the clock digits maintained their stable construction. So the font mainly went from a completely crammed stable digits state of affairs to stroke solely that type of factor.
So if you recognize, graphic design, possibly you perceive what I am saying. And that contributes to it. Proper. After which I am not in a position to then confidently say that, you recognize, That is actually a brighter display screen at an off angle. I, I’ve to be like a part of the visibility has to do with the truth that the font’s totally different.
So I do not know. I, I, I did not get into the element there. However you are right here, you are, you are right here, you’re aware about my inside most fonts. Okay. Okay. Podcast.
Devindra: Even, [00:36:00] even just like the, the minimal design modifications to the sequence 10 is greater than the, than the telephones bought. Is the factor. Barely thinner, barely larger.
I imply a complete
Cherlynn: new button. Look, the entire new button.
Devindra: Plus
Cherlynn: the truth that the screens are larger, plus the truth that due to this fact the iPhone 15 Professionals are just a bit bit larger than their predecessors means it’s important to get a complete new case, by the way in which. Yeah,
Devindra: it is primarily the buttons. It’s important to get the entire new case.
Cherlynn: Effectively, no, the circumstances will not match. I requested and it was like, no, you want new circumstances even with out the buttons. In fact.
Ben: Yearly you want a brand new case. And that distinction, the Oh, it is a little bit larger so you could get a complete new case and the truth that we spent a lot time speaking a couple of button is why all the opposite children make enjoyable of us.
Cherlynn: Who’s us and who’s the opposite children? Sorry.
Ben: All the Android folks make enjoyable of us. I contemplate
Cherlynn: myself an Android child too,
Devindra: do not us and them, me. I [00:37:00] am a hassle. From one telephone technology to the subsequent like that is rather like a given as a result of issues change button placements change digital camera Modules change, so I am not gonna knock Apple an excessive amount of on that.
However you recognize,
Ben: in the meantime What was Apple speaking about a lot throughout that occasion? We’re gonna be carbon impartial by this time. What’s it? 2030 not that lengthy. They’re by not
Devindra: together with the wired buds anymore
Cherlynn: Fiber Kate packaging
Devindra: fiber you may eat that field Yeah,
Cherlynn: should you’re having digestive points should you
Devindra: wish to, so it does not sound such as you’re tremendous sizzling on the, the watch sequence.
It
Cherlynn: was exhausting for me to be excited as a result of once more, quite a lot of the marquee options are issues it’s important to wait slightly longer to determine sleep, however we’re not ready
Devindra: for apple intelligence on that. We’re not ready for no, a number of months. Like we had been watch. Yeah,
Cherlynn: we had been through the evaluate course of ready on the sleep apnea factor to be FDA inexperienced lit, nevertheless it did through the [00:38:00] evaluate course of.
And so it was just like the day or two earlier than that was like, Oh yeah, you may arrange sleep apnea now. And to be clear, like we, we had quite a lot of days with sleep apnea, however, nevertheless it was like, Two days earlier than the watch or the day earlier than the watch evaluate was purported to go up, that sleep apnea got here out with watchOS 11.
Did
Devindra: you, so did you do your sleep apnea check? No, as a result of
Cherlynn: not solely, I did, I did set it up. I set it up for the alerts. Proper. After which, and I did that on the Monday that iOS 18 was pushed out as a result of regardless that the FDA Greenlight announcement was on Friday. The iOS 18, watchOS 11, blah, blah, blah, replace all got here out to the general public on Monday with the sleep apnea factor.
After which on watchOS 11, that is when you may get it proper. And you may get the sleep apnea monitoring on watch sequence 9 in addition to watch extremely two. So even when I had examined was like a giant deal, it was not going to tremendous have an effect on my rating as a result of you may get it on an older watch. Prefer it’s not, an enormous a part of the improve [00:39:00] equation, but in addition I had one night time to place this factor on and you could like sleep with it for
Devindra: 30 nights.
We’re gonna want an replace on how a lot you snore and what your sleep respiration is like. Yeah.
Cherlynn: That is what, that is what has to
Devindra: occur. Yeah.
Cherlynn: So mainly I feel this type of system and this type of characteristic is one thing we wish to spend extra time with anyway. So yeah, simply come again. Twingadget. com to see if I am nonetheless alive and testing sleep apnea and respiration at night time.
Devindra: It’s exhausting to evaluate one thing that can also be meant to trace information for a number of days, like to try this with below every week, you recognize, so you probably did, you probably did what you possibly can. And likewise given the restrictions Apple positioned on us by not having the whole lot totally authorised. So anyway, it sounds, it sounds cool. Go take a look at Shroen’s evaluate.
Do you have got a video of the Apple watch as nicely?
Cherlynn: We don’t as a result of that will have required capturing on Sunday after I was modifying the AirPods evaluate, so no. I imply,
Devindra: you are, it by no means ends. It by no means ends. And we’re nonetheless ready on the iPhone evaluate. So, you recognize, that is one other factor. They’re coming!
Cherlynn: You possibly can contemplate this my iPhone evaluate, regardless of the early [00:40:00]a part of this episode was.
That was mine. There’s a correct written model. So we all know
Devindra: no person reads anymore. Sherilyn like that is the way forward for all of our content material. And anyway, people, thanks a lot, Sherilyn. In the event you bought any ideas or questions in regards to the new iPhones and the brand new Apple watch, drop us an electronic mail at podcast and engadget.
com.
Let’s transfer on to another information and sorry people that we’re working by means of these tales sort of rapidly. We’re simply, we’re simply so gadget heavy. We have so many evaluations to speak about. Is that point of
Cherlynn: 12 months?
Devindra: Yeah. One factor I wish to convey up is only a wild prevalence that occurred on Tuesday and Wednesday.
I began seeing information reviews Tuesday morning that pagers had been exploding all through Lebanon and that appeared bizarre. Like we noticed the sooner reviews had been like, huh. That is, that is unusual. Pagers are exploding. Then extra reviews, hundreds of pagers are exploding. Then increasingly reviews. Principally I feel by possibly not by the tip of Tuesday, however there have been [00:41:00] a number of waves of pager assaults, or at the very least one, that first main wave of pager assaults.
What we ended up studying is that doubtless it was Israel concentrating on members of the Hezbollah militant group in Lebanon by their pagers. And I am not going to get too deep into the politics of this all, however simply that concept, I do not know what you considered the Sherwin, however I used to be pondering like, Oh my God, we have reached like enemy of the state stage, bizarre assault vectors that will sound like science fiction simply a few years in the past.
So that’s, that’s the place we’re at. This is sort of a stay, ongoing story on Wednesday, one other wave of assaults occurred on walkie talkies. as a result of I assume the plan was to not simply hit pagers once more as a result of folks stopped utilizing their pagers. There are reviews that photo voltaic panel you recognize, installations all through Lebanon had been attacked as nicely.
That is all in response to love different assaults that had been occurring from Hezbollah in the direction of you recognize, folks dwelling in Israel and and like areas all through that nation too. So wild. I do not [00:42:00]know. What did you suppose, Sherilyn, like while you heard of this?
Cherlynn: I imply, I am going to offer you 10 to guess what my quick thought was it was the identical as what CF 542 is saying in our chat.
I used to be shocked that pagers had been nonetheless getting used. I feel
Devindra: Hear, if you’re if you’re presently a member of a militant group and you recognize Your opponent is like extremely technically succesful. You are like I am unable to have a smartphone
Cherlynn: I am unable to have issues that they
Devindra: can hack, you recognize,
Cherlynn: proper. So while you had been recapping that, I, I, I, my mind made the connection.
Effectively, I imply, I sort of knew this, which is such as you mentioned. Yeah. Lots of people use decrease expertise units to keep away from surveillance or detection. Issues like burner telephones are usually slightly extra easy pagers. And also you talked about walkie talkies and photo voltaic panels. It was attention-grabbing to me how it’s. These would look like like much less refined, extra analog units that had been being focused.
And issues not related to the web. Proper, precisely. You’ll, proper. It is even more durable. So it is you’ll suppose that web is the extra hackable type of expertise as a result of [00:43:00]it is extra communication availability. However no, it is these items which can be simply chilling alongside on, I assume, radio waves for lots of them particularly walkie talkies and what, pagers.
Devindra: Yeah. And the, the precise we’re nonetheless like, that is an ongoing story. The total extent to love how the explosive units bought into the pagers and into the walkie talkies, Is the entire thing as a result of the corporate behind the pagers is seemingly a Taiwan based mostly factor, however they had been like, we didn’t manufacture these.
After which folks tracked it to an organization in in Turkey that was constructing units. And so they had been like, Oh, we did not construct these both. So it is like, the place did these come from? How did these get into the availability chain? But additionally I feel it was additionally like subcontractors
Ben: on subcontractors
Devindra: upon. So, so, however how do you, how do you get to folks exterior of hacking a superb web related system?
We’ve got heard tales like I’m. I. Wish to learn the tales about like how actual life spies do their work. And there is quite a lot of tales about what Russia has completed and what Russian spies have completed, just like the poisoning of individuals in broad daylight all through all through England. That is one thing Russia is understood for.
This is rather like wild and I [00:44:00]guess there are two arguments. It is, it is slightly extra focused than like missile assaults, but in addition these items had been exploding in public areas. Youngsters had been killed. Hundreds of individuals had been injured. The newest complete I noticed is 25 folks had been killed, 600 injured. This is rather like a kind of issues the place it is I do not.
You do not know what’s secure anymore when these units, these units that you simply suppose are simply dumb and foolish can simply explode at any second. So, terrifying.
Ben: Yeah, and the politics of this case is admittedly troublesome to get into, so we’ll largely attempt to sidestep that. I am feeling for the Lebanese inhabitants proper now.
That is like pure stochastic
Devindra: terrorism, mainly, however yeah.
Ben: From the angle of gadget folks, we love our units. We use our units to loosen up. The concept that you’re afraid to the touch your system now, as a result of you do not know what’s been tampered with and what hasn’t been tampered with. The concept there are households who’re fully unaffected and, you recognize, not Affiliated with Hezbollah in any respect are possibly placing all of their [00:45:00]units out within the yard a long way away from the home as a result of they’re afraid of them now, that
Devindra: sucks.
Persons are afraid to make use of their computer systems, any of their different units, prefer it’s simply, it is a bizarre state of affairs.
Cherlynn: Do y’all see what number of telephones I held up simply now?
Devindra: Yeah, you’re, you’re fairly the, the assault vector proper now, Cherlynn. I imply, pay attention, I’ve like proper behind me, individuals who can see me on digital camera.
Like I’ve quite a lot of previous units that I have to actually electronically recycle as a result of I am apprehensive about what occurs to previous lithium batteries. And in order that’s not even worrying about an assault like this. We might be keeping track of the story. That is like all ongoing stuff, however I needed to say it as a result of that is instantly.
I’ve by no means seen a navy or I’ve by no means seen like a particular assault in opposition to a navy opponents like this. And philosophically, like as anyone who thinks about like how we wage conflict and the way innocents are touched and all these things, it’s deeply, deeply troubling. We will transfer on to only some unusual, like straight up gadget [00:46:00]stuff.
So let’s simply snort at snaps. Fifth technology spectacles. How about that? Take a look at poor Chrisabelle, who did this protection for us, has needed to take footage of herself carrying these God terrible wanting augmented actuality glasses. These are standalone AR glasses. They are going to be offered to builders who decide to a yearlong 99 a month subscription to start out engaged on AR apps, I assume, just like what Apple did with Imaginative and prescient Professional, besides it isn’t being offered to regular folks in any respect.
As a result of I feel if folks noticed the true price of these items should you needed to put a greenback to it, you’ll in all probability snort Snapchat off the face of the planet. Like these would in all probability price 4 to five, 000 a pair, given the extent of expertise in them. Ideas on these Cherlynn?
Cherlynn: I imply, I feel they regarded bizarre AF till I watched the Emmys final night time.
And I used to be like, wow, I assume Eugene Levy is carrying the identical type of glasses. The identical fashion glasses, proper? They had been these very thick black frames which can be extraordinarily boxy, particularly [00:47:00]close to the temples. And I feel Carissa bought slightly roasted on the threads.
Ben: However these truly
Cherlynn: regarded good. What?
Ben: However they really regarded good.
The older ones look higher. These simply look chunky.
Cherlynn: So, okay. To be clear although, the brand new, those now are AR glasses. They’ve a show in them. I consider the older Snap Spectacles are simply digital camera toting glasses. No, those so the
Ben: final image And I am additionally speaking about Eugene Levy’s glasses.
Eugene Levy’s
Cherlynn: ones are nice. They’re the Prada or Dior ones, so
Ben: Yeah, they had been style glasses. I used to be pondering, okay, these look very chunky. Vogue glasses are inclined to look chunky. I actually simply regarded up. Glasses designed by like Terry Mugler or, you recognize, home of Mugler, like very excessive style type of stuff.
Mugler is understood particularly for sort of sci fi wanting outfits. Zendaya truly wore a like complete swimsuit of armor designed by Mugler. This can be a actually
Cherlynn: unusual tangent. We’re taking place. Like I’m right here for it,
Devindra: however
Ben: these glasses, yeah. [00:48:00] These. The Mugler glasses truly look good. They’re chunky.
They take up a lot of your face. Go look them up by yourself. These simply look dangerous. I imply,
Devindra: I am particularly evaluating them to the final pair Carissa examined Trillin. So I feel that was the fourth one. And people did have AR show. She did do a check of that. So this isn’t simply the digital camera ones that they had been promoting.
However,
Cherlynn: yeah.
Devindra: My level was
Cherlynn: simply going to be that like, we’re not going to evaluate this factor clearly. They don’t seem to be promoting it. However I am unable to watch for us to have a look. A deeper dive into them. We might be doing that. We simply will not be reviewing, reviewing. We might be reviewing it. I
Devindra: suppose we’re totally nicely inside our rights to level and snort at how foolish this all appears.
And subsequent week we will hear about Meta’s you recognize, idea AR glasses. In order that’s Orion and the type of like tease photograph. We noticed these issues, which was within the background of one in all Zuckerberg’s pictures earlier this 12 months. These simply appear to be chunky hipster frames. And possibly these aren’t like totally the issues, however at the very least these look extra like glasses than regardless of the [00:49:00] hell is occurring right here.
Like I could not, I could not assist it snort, however Chris has completed some nice protection for us to go take a look at her story on these things briefly. I additionally wish to level out, I wrote in regards to the Vive Focus Imaginative and prescient. HTC Vive remains to be making VR headsets and that is their newest standalone headset. It is 9. 99. It is attention-grabbing as a result of they’re, they’ve higher cameras for blended actuality.
And likewise they’ve a cool. An adjunct, a show port accent that you may purchase. It is like 150. It offers you a direct connection to your laptop for related wired VR. And that’s totally different in comparison with what Oculus hyperlink did or the metallic hyperlink does on Meta’s headsets. Whenever you plug right into a PC, you are mainly seeing a video feed of what a VR window is seeing in your laptop.
By going on to the graphics card, you are not getting any of that distortion or something. So this features extra like a standard VR headset. It appears cool, feels cool. Hope to do a fuller evaluate of this factor, however I additionally do not, nobody’s going to purchase this. That is 9. is promoting these headsets [00:50:00] to companies and they’re doing a superb job of that.
However, you recognize, they are not competing with the meta quest at, you recognize, 400 and 500. This stuff are simply a lot costlier. We additionally noticed the information that Lionsgate, the film studio has signed a cope with runway, the AI startup. In order that the, let me see right here. It can permit runway entry to Lionsgate content material their library in trade for a contemporary customized AI mannequin that the studio can use in manufacturing and modifying.
That may imply all kinds of issues, however I do know amongst Hollywood, amongst artists, actors, and administrators, like that is the AI encroachment in film making. is one thing that individuals are afraid of. Perhaps there is a method that they might use it. That is sort of a non dangerous method, like a less complicated method. Hey, pay attention, I’ve used AI to plug in a single phrase right into a podcast episode the place it is I do not, I am unable to match the voice to retake it.
But when I sort the phrase right here and I practice this factor on my voice, and it is a native mannequin that I totally management it could replicate a phrase for me. That makes my life slightly simpler. Perhaps they’ll [00:51:00]try this, nevertheless it’s robust for artists. Powerful to handle that.
Cherlynn: Yeah. I’ll say that as of six or seven years in the past at 1MWC, there was a instrument like that on-line someplace that allowed you to create like voice fashions for of individuals.
And so me, Matt Smith, and I feel Aaron Supor is taking part in with this. We created voice fashions of one another. And so I made Matt Smith’s pretend voice say, Japan, Japan, Japan. And I actually recall this very strongly. This is the factor, although. I may even point out that it isn’t particular or distinctive to AI, proper? To have the ability to do that, as a result of I offers you one other behind the scenes tidbit that our iPhone 16 evaluate video, there was a second the place I made the error and mentioned, the iPhone 15 execs battery life sucks or one thing alongside these strains.
And I used to be like, crap, I meant the iPhone 16 professional and our video editor, Ryan Oh, was in a position to cook dinner up some magic and discover a bit the place I mentioned the phrase. Yeah. And simply substitute it appropriately. In order that’s
Devindra: regular modifying utilizing your regular [00:52:00] voice. It is regular
Cherlynn: modifying. Enhancing, however you are additionally in a position to like, you recognize, having the ability to get a mannequin of my voice to say the right phrases Appears helpful to me in in conditions like that for put up processing, however I can see the way it raises issues of who has management Such as you mentioned over who has management i am
Devindra: certain actors are apprehensive writers are apprehensive about what phrases they’ll inject in issues we might be keeping track of the story for certain.
Ben: I’ve one sort of simple prediction to make about this. That Runway will develop some sort of inner instrument for Lionsgate. Lionsgate will push this very a lot on their editors and all of their employees. They’re going to be like, use the interior instrument, use the interior instrument. They’ll make a giant deal about how one film used the interior instrument after which we’ll by no means hear about it once more.
Devindra: I hope so. I hope, I hope that is what it’s. However I additionally know like executives and quite a lot of mainly studio executives can not wait to cease paying cash to actors and writers. Like they simply wish to like, get [00:53:00]stuff on the market to start out promoting film tickets or no matter. So yeah, we’ll see the, the, all these instruments could be helpful in the fitting arms.
We’re apprehensive about the fitting arms. Let’s Cherlynn?
Cherlynn: I, this weekend. So, and I used to be very excited to share this on this podcast. I used to be like telling the crew, I’ve to be right here for this. Have you ever heard of the movie Converse No Evil?
Devindra: Sure. Oh, you noticed the brand new one.
Cherlynn: I noticed the brand new one. The, the one with James McAvoy, who’s simply so menacing in it.
The evaluations. mentioned that he is perfected the artwork of being menacing and they’re so proper. He’s horrifying and such a scary and just like the, the way in which, okay, so this movie is about this household assembly or working into one other household consisting of James McAvoy, his dad and mom. spouse and their baby in italy someplace after which that they hit it off the james mcavoy invitations them over to remain at their countryside place For a weekend [00:54:00]and once more a few of their you recognize, higher instincts They they do do it after which it seems that is the like strangest household ever No spoilers, however I feel you may see the place it is headed.
I feel Although that all the expertise was actually illuminating for me as a result of among the, the altercations they get into are so harking back to like my actual life the place you do work together with individuals who simply say shit for no purpose typically, proper? on the web, in the true world. Like folks typically say shit after which they go, Oh, sorry.
Sorry that you simply misunderstood what I mentioned, or, Oh, sorry. I did not imply it that method. Oh, PC. Oh, woke. Like individuals who use that type of like labels to defend dangerous conduct. And you’ve got quite a lot of that. And so I spent quite a lot of the film as a result of I did not guess the ending. I spent quite a lot of the film questioning if.
They had been truly like dangerous, dangerous, or in the event that they had been simply unintentional dangerous, proper? And that is me as a result of I am, I am the type of person who gaslights myself. However that is, that is what occurs. I feel that the [00:55:00] method the actors performed it was actually nuanced and that is why I used to be led to that perception. But additionally the, the, simply the entire telling of the story was so like masterful.
The strain by no means lets up. It is simply, it is nice. It is actually cool. I am glad I actually loved it.
Devindra: I might advocate Trillin. That you just watch the unique film, which is generally in English too, nevertheless it’s extra in regards to the distinction. I consider it is just like the distinction between like Danish tradition and Finnish tradition and the way they are often like barely totally different, but in addition that unique film.
is horrifying. It’s so bleak. It is likely one of the bleakest issues I’ve ever seen. And what I’ve heard is that the American model, this one’s
Cherlynn: fairly bleak too, however yeah, I’ve
Devindra: heard it does not go so far as the unique does. And I do not, I do not just like the ending of the unique. I feel it is a deeply disturbing film, however that was a film about.
our society of politeness, proper? The place anyone says one thing bizarre and you are like, Oh, okay. Effectively, I am a visitor. So I am simply gonna roll with it. Proper. It is the identical factor. It is the identical [00:56:00]story. Yeah. It is also about like how exhausting it’s to make buddies as adults as a result of that unique film was identical to this like yuppie couple with the child is I, how can we, how can we hang around with folks?
Oh, this, this couple appears good. I feel each these films sound just like the in why you don’t make buddies on trip. You meet anyone you meet a pair you meet you meet folks on trip. They don’t seem to be final let it go. Yeah Yeah, they’re non permanent buddies. Yeah, let it go. Don’t go to their homes. Don’t do something I am wanting ahead to seeing this film Cherlynn.
I am unable to
Cherlynn: wait until you see it. Inform me the way you suppose it
Devindra: is It’s enjoyable to see Scoot McNary and Mackenzie Davis. Sure, like regular couple. This can be a it is a halting catchfire reunion A present I’ve informed all of you who’ve been listening to look at perpetually. They each co star in that present. That is a tremendous present for techies.
It is in regards to the type of like PC constructing world in Texas within the eighties. It is quite a lot of enjoyable. It is like mad males, but in addition far, far geekier. So test that out. Effectively, I am glad you want anything you wish to check out Cherlynn.
Cherlynn: I cancelled my Hulu subscription, [00:57:00] so, there you go. They, they, I, I believed I used to be being scammed after I bought an electronic mail from Hulu at HuluMail.
com, which simply sounded just like the worst electronic mail on the earth. However they had been like, worth is growing quickly, like 20 mainly for a no advert subscription. I used to be like, what the hell, I am not doing that. Plus, I even have Disney Plus. So I am like, I get numerous the identical library with that.
Devindra: Yeah, it is, it is so very complicated, what’s, is, It’s nonetheless very
Cherlynn: complicated, yeah.
So for me, I am like, let’s cancel it and see what’s gonna occur. However yeah, I imply, I, I, my, my Disney Plus subscription is annual, and my Hulu one is month-to-month. So I simply canceled the month-to-month one first and see how that goes. All proper. Since I am unable to cancel Disney Plus. Good luck. After which, nicely, yeah my, my suggestion is that if it really works out, I am going to inform you that to go along with Disney Plus as an alternative of Hulu and Disney.
Devindra: Gotcha. Have you ever checked out Agatha all alongside but? I really feel like that is in your I’ve not. I
Cherlynn: noticed it on yeah, I have not seen it but, nevertheless it’s on my record.
Devindra: I noticed the primary few episodes. It is, it is enjoyable. It is enjoyable extra largely as a result of Aubrey Plaza will get to be enjoyable. Oh, yeah! I noticed that. Give me a witchy Aubrey Plaza, please.
She is [00:58:00] implausible in that present. And
Cherlynn: the homosexual splosion I heard,
Devindra: I wish to advocate you people, I’ve talked about Pachinko earlier than, which is the Apple TV plus present based mostly on the novel about this type of sweeping story of a Korean household from leaving Korea to immigrating to Japan all through the 1900s.
And likewise it happens throughout totally different time durations. I began watching season two. This present remains to be unbelievable. It appears implausible. Simply extremely nicely written. It is identical to deeply emotional. I like seeing very, very complicated, very far reaching immigrant tales. And that is a kind of, Sherilyn, I feel you actually bought to look at this present as a result of it can destroy you.
It’s simply so fascinating. So yeah. Loving Pachinko Season 2. Additionally Season 2 has a brand new opening dance sequence, which grew to become a giant hit. with the primary season. Nonetheless good. I do not suppose it hits the identical highs for me because the Pachinko season one opening, however nonetheless superb. Additionally rapidly wish to shout out Lego Star Wars Rebuild the Galaxy, which is a Lego Star Wars factor.
My daughter noticed an image of this and he or she was like, we bought to look at this. I do not know what’s occurring [00:59:00]right here. I’ve not totally gotten her into any Star Wars stuff. We have tried the Clone Wars cartoons and They’re actually sluggish. Prefer it’s actually robust for her to get into. I am not going to do the films.
The unique films simply take perpetually to get began. Perhaps when she was like eight or 10, she will survive these issues, however she beloved Lego Star Wars, rebuilt the galaxy. It is a humorous, you recognize, Lego variant of this factor, but in addition does one thing that I do not suppose Star Wars will ever have the ability to do, which is totally break and rebuild all the mythology.
Like on the, you recognize, Within the first episode, they simply fully rework it is type of like a what if factor. They only rework who’re the great guys? Who’re the dangerous guys? What occurred right here? How did key occasions occur? It is simply fully totally different and they’ll run with this timeline. A number of good guys turn out to be dangerous.
You may even see this within the poster, however a Darth Jar Jar Binks. Is a factor and he’s hilarious. Like he is not, he is, he is a darkish, he is a sip. However he is additionally foolish and bumbling. And my daughter thinks he is hilarious each time he falls on his face. So it is simply, it has quite a lot of enjoyable with star Wars mythology, quite a lot of deep cuts in there.
And I feel it is enjoyable should you’ve bought [01:00:00]children who can not. actually take note of the little, the, the Star Wars stuff that takes slightly, you recognize, extra to get into. I feel that is like good. Okay. So test it out. Lego Star Wars rebuild the galaxy.
Cherlynn: Effectively, that is it for the episode this week, everybody.
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